Phil Ochs at Dealey  Plaza 
By William E. Kelly, Jr. 
"Captain Fritz questioned him and said the President had been killed…Oswald replied, 'people will forget that within a few days and there would be another president.' Oswald felt the State was so unfeeling that grief for its fallen leader would be short-lived. He could not have been more wrong. 'A man so-filled with life even Death was caught off guard,' as the folk-singer Phil Ochs described JFK, and when he died, will never be forgotten." - Gary O’Brian Oswald’s Politics [1.]
 “A man so filled-with
life even Death was caught off guard,” is just one of the things Phil Ochs said
of JFK. 
Ochs also claimed knowledge of a plot to kill the president
before it happened, and according to his college room mate and best man Jim
Glover, Ochs was a witness to the assassination as “a national security
observer” at Dealey  Plaza 
In following the assassination of President Kennedy for as
long as I have I thought I had heard it all, but one of the more bizarre
conspiracy theories I’ve come across is the idea that Phil Ochs had expressed
foreknowledge of the assassination, was present at Dealey Plaza as “a national
security observer,” and kept those facts secret in fear for his own life.
Ochs then committed suicide on April 9, 1976  at the age of 35, a death some believe
should be considered suspicious. 
I took a particular interest in this theory because I had
started to compile a list of those who had expressed foreknowledge of the assassination,
and in reviewing their backgrounds, tried to determine if they actually knew about
the plot to kill the president from those who could have actually been involved.
Phil Ochs was a new name to that list. [2]
I also took particular interest in this allegation because I had actually knew Phil Ochs for a few hours one night when I was a teenager, and I thought that it would be pretty simple to determine whether he was in Dallas that day or not.
Boy was I wrong. 
I crossed paths with Phil Ochs at the Democratic National
Convention in Chicago 
While much is lost in the fog of the riots that occurred, I
clearly remember Ochs on the last night we were there, sitting on the floor in
the hall playing a guitar and singing, serenading a dozen or so McCarthy volunteers,
myself included. And while Ochs and I didn’t personally meet or talk, we sat a
few feet from each other for a few hours while he played guitar and sang and I listened
and, at seventeen years old, had my first alcoholic drink - a whiskey on the
rocks. A few hours later the Chicago 
So after I developed an interest in the assassination of
President Kennedy, I was quite surprised to learn that Phil Ochs had expressed
foreknowledge of the assassination and may have actually been at Dealey 
 Plaza 
The source of this particular conspiracy theory, folk singer
Jim Glover, is a free spirited musician and folksinger who still performs
today. I had met Jim on John Simkin’s Education Forum, [4] and he is now a
Facebook friend. 
Jim Glover first called my attention to the Dealey 
 Plaza Houston street Dallas 
Since such positive photo identification has been often shown
to be false or inconclusive, I have not relied on it in my analysis, which is
based on the background of Phil Ochs, his known contacts and associations as an
attempt to determine if he could have had foreknowledge of the plot to kill the
president if in fact it was a “national security” event. 
An unofficial internet profile of Ochs notes that he was, “Born
in El Paso , Texas December 19, 1940 , Phil
and his family moved frequently during the first few years of his life. His
father, Dr. Jacob Ochs, had been drafted by the US Army and assigned to various
military hospitals in New York , New
  Mexico Texas Staunton 
 Military  Academy 
It was at Ohio U in Columbus 
Glover quit school and moved to New
  York City Greenwich
 Village  folk music scene, which was then just beginning to
blossom. Shortly thereafter, just before graduation in 1962, Ochs too quit
school and joined Glover in New York 
As the epitome of the 1960s-era protest singer Phil Ochs was
known for writing songs fused with meaning and anti-establishment themes, including, "I Ain't Marching Anymore",
"Changes", "Love Me, I'm a Liberal", "Outside of a
Small Circle of Friends", "Power and the Glory", "There but
for Fortune", and "The War
Is Over". [6]
       FLASHBACK 092068 CHICAGO 
Although I find it hard to believe, as I write this, the Disc
Jockey (on WXPN FM) plays “Draft Dogger
Rag” - in honor of the anniversary of Ochs’ April 9, 1976 death, which
gives you a good example of the irony and wit he used to get across an
unpopular notion - the political hypocracy of Washington. [7]
Oh, I'm just a typical American boy from a typical American town
I believe in God and Senator Dodd and a-keepin' old Castro down
And when it came my time to serve I knew "better dead than red"
But when I got to my old draft board, buddy, this is what I said:
CHORUS
Sarge, I'm only eighteen, I got a ruptured spleen
And I always carry a purse
I got eyes like a bat, and my feet are flat, and my ashma's getting worse
Yes, think of my career, my sweetheart dear, and my poor old invalid aunt
Besides, I ain't no fool, I'm a-goin' to school
And I'm working in a DEE-fense plant
I believe in God and Senator Dodd and a-keepin' old Castro down
And when it came my time to serve I knew "better dead than red"
But when I got to my old draft board, buddy, this is what I said:
CHORUS
Sarge, I'm only eighteen, I got a ruptured spleen
And I always carry a purse
I got eyes like a bat, and my feet are flat, and my ashma's getting worse
Yes, think of my career, my sweetheart dear, and my poor old invalid aunt
Besides, I ain't no fool, I'm a-goin' to school
And I'm working in a DEE-fense plant
Hearing his sharp, distinctive voice flashed me back to the
1960s as I recalled that song being played on the radio - usually late on a Sunday
night when “Meatball Fulton” spun the discs and told the tales from the underground
on Philadelphia’s WXPN, (who were still playing Ochs songs in 2013), or you
could sometimes hear Ochs on Dave Herman’s Marconi Experiment, but they were the
only programs I knew of that would play Phil Ochs’ songs. [8]
“I believe in God and
Senator Dodd and a-keepin’ ol’ Castro down…..” 
Hearing his voice immediately threw me back once again to Ochs
singing in the hotel hall in Chicago 
Then I went and laid down in a back room and while I was
asleep, all hell broke loose, the Chicago Cops stormed the 15th floor and
busted everybody - me included - roused out of bed and beat with a billy club
by cops - tear gas cut my eyes and blood dripped down my face. The subdued
hotel hall party suddenly became a combat zone, and that was the last time I
saw Phil Ochs. 
I do remember, about a year later, buying his album that
showed Ochs’ grave stone on the cover and indicated that he died in Chicago Chicago 
And now, according to Jim Glover, there he is in the photo
at Dealey Plaza, a blurry, ghostly figure of a young man standing back against
the Dal-Tex building in a photo obviously taken just shortly after the
assassination of the President, with policemen with weapons drawn looking
towards the assassin’s lair in the upper floor windows of the Texas School Book
Depository building. 
Like a fly on the wall, the casually dressed young man seems
to be just standing back taking it all in. Is that really Phil Ochs, the folk
singer? If so, what’s he doing there? Was he really there as a “national
security observer?” 
What is a “national security observer”?
And how, I wondered, could a radical leftist protest singer
like Phil Ochs become involved with the “national security state”?  
It was a question that I was surprised Jim Glover could
answer so quickly, and to my satisfaction. 
                                                           WIKI OCHS 
But first I wanted to check to see what the internet had to
say about Phil Ochs. 
Of course Wiki is not a reliable or citable source for
college papers, books or serious research, but it is a good place to start. As
some speculate it has CIA  ties, and posts questionable
assertions regarding the assassination of President Kennedy, I thought it a
good place to get the official, mainstream story before diving into the truth. 
The Wiki entry confirmed my own recollections of Chicago in
’68, Jim Glover’s association with Ochs in college and the effect of the
assassination on Ochs. 
Of Chicago Wiki says: “Despite warnings that there might be
trouble, Ochs went to Chicago Lincoln Park Chicago 
Yea, some point. 
As for school, the Wiki entry notes: “when he graduated
[from Staunton Military Academy , Va. Columbus Ohio Ohio  State 
 University 
In regards to Jim Glover, it says that, “Glover taught Ochs
how to play guitar, and they debated politics…Ochs and Glover formed a duet
called ‘The Singing Socialists,’  later renamed ‘The Sundowners,’ but the
duo broke up before their first professional performance and Glover went
to New York City to become a folksinger.” [10]
                                          UNDERCOVER IN COLUMBUS 
So I sent my new Facebook friend Jim Glover a PM - Personal
Message and asked him how he met Ochs, what Ochs doing at Dealey 
 Plaza 
Jim Glover: 
“Phil first picked up
the guitar when we were in college and Steeb Hall roommates (at Ohio  State  University Columbus , Ohio 
“At first Phil was
Gung Ho...’Commies’ were the bad guys and he seemed like it would take a lot of
work to turn him around, but I did in short order. It was kinda like I ‘sheep
dipped’ him for his future mission. He bragged about his photographic memory
and how at [Staunton , Va. Military  Academy 
“Phil (got a lot of
his song ideas from the newspapers and) read me stories about how the mob fixed
the election, about Lee Oswald defecting to Russia, and about how U2 pilot
(Gary) Powers should have taken his suicide pill and on and on. He also was mad
at me for going to a demonstration to protest Wernher Von Braun speaking on
campus. I was prejudiced about Nazis I guess and Phil was pissed that one of
the students who talked me into it was a Socialist Worker's Party guy. It was
around then he spilled the beans about a big red scare surveillance program on
campus and the first time I heard the term was when Phil said I was ‘Fair
Game.’"
“Our last quarter at
Steeb Hall he got super radical all of a sudden …wrote articles in defense of
Castro for the Steeb Hall newsletter he put out himself called ‘The Word’ and
made all the mimeographed copies. He also reported for the Ohio  State Bay of Pigs ,’ which we would sing as the Singing
Socialists. After we did a Republican big wig house party an angry white man
came up and asked us if we were Communists...Phil was a bit worried and wanted
us to change our name to the "Sundowners" because it was more
‘euphonious’. I went along....Trouble is it took all the fun out of it for me.”[12]
                                           ROTC, COINTELPRO & CHAOS 
Reserve Officer Training Corps
(ROTC) was also, at one time, mandatory for all freshmen male students at the
University of Dayton, Ohio, before I got there, but student protests ended the
practice. Many students however, continued to voluntary take the ROTC program and
I took classes in military history and strategy with the ROTC professors and
cadets.
When college students began to organize anti-Vietnam war protest
demonstrations, it was the ROTC students who were recruited to infiltrate the
protesters as undercover informants and in some cases, instigators and
agitators who drew students out of the crowd so they could keep track of them. Sometimes
they were sent from one campus to another. [13] This was the FBI’s COINTELPRO
program, which was first revealed in the early ‘70s after anti-war activists
broke into the Media, Pennsylvania FBI office, stole COINTELPRO files and
distributed them to the newspapers and magazines. And like the assassination of
President Kennedy, that crime, what the professionals in the trade call a
“black bag job,” 
The CIA  also ran a
similar operation CHAOS, but since they were not legally able to conduct
operations in the continental United States, the FBI’s undercover network as
used against the Klu Klux Klan, targeted student protesters and they were supplemented
by the US Army intelligence, usually the Army Reserve units, whose surveillance
of the civil rights demonstrations is also well documented. (See: MLK ,
Memphis 
The FBI and military’s use of undercover informants and
agitators is also exemplified at Kent State, where one such agitator is now
believed to have provoked the Army reservists into shooting students, [16] and
in the case of the Camden 28. [17] The Camden , NJ 
So if Phil Ochs was a Staunton Va. Military 
 Academy 
                                             GOODBYE COLUMBUS 
Columbus is the Ohio state capitol, and the film location of
a popular early 70s date movie - Goodbye
Columbus, based on a Philip Roth novel, first published in the Paris Review, which gives a colorful insight into
the sports-jock world that prevailed before the bloom of the counter-culture
and the Vietnam War created a political divide. [20]
If  the Secret Service
were preparing for a presidential visit to Columbus, Ohio, they would check
with the Protective Research Section (PRS )
to see if there were any threats to the president in that vicinity. From the
files they would learn that Columbus Flint 
The government files would also reflect that Columbus ,
 Ohio Texas 
When Gordon Novel was sought for questioning by the New
Orleans grand jury in 1967, he avoided the subpoena by fleeing at first, to
Columbus, Ohio, where the governor himself (Rhodes) refused to extradite him, and
then to McLean, Virginia, near where the CIA 
headquarters is located. Something peculiar was going on in Columbus, as well
as McLean. [26]
In summary, Phil Ochs, after graduating from an elite Virginia Ohio 
 State  University US 
                                                      PHIL OCHS AND  BOB DYLAN 
In looking through the published literature on Bob Dylan,
there is frequent mention of his association with Phil Ochs, such as when Dylan
biographer Bob Spitz writes, “Phil Ochs stumbled over to Dylan’s table, worked
up over some secret government conspiracy or another.” [27] 
So Ochs was himself considered a conspiracy theorists before
it was popular and then went nearly a full decade without seeing Dylan, who
went on to fame and fortune, while Ochs continued to write and sing protest
songs, an out of date and almost obsolete musical genre that was totally
overrun by rock and roll and then the drones of disco. While Dylan seemed to
roll with the punches, and go his own way, Ochs seems to have been stuck in a
rut, though he kept writing songs and singing away. 
Both Phil Ochs and Bob Dylan did write songs about similar
subjects, including the Civil Rights movement, the John Birch Society and
assassinated civil rights leader Medgar Evers. 
It is quite clear that if Medgar Evers’ murder by a sniper
was properly investigated and prosecuted, JFK wouldn’t have been killed the way
he was. It was only because of a young, assist. DA that justice was served in
Evers’ case, and his widow was part of the second inauguration of President
Obama in 2012. 
Dylan sang his song “Just a Pawn in their Game” at the March
on Washington 
Anthony Scaduto, in Dylan
- An Intimate Biography, [28] compares and contrasts the Ochs and Dylan
songs about the assassination of Medgar Evers: 
“A comparison of the way Dylan and Phil Ochs each handled
the murder of civil rights leader, Medgar Evers, points it up. Ochs, and
everyone else writing the Broadside song, saw the killing as simply a story to
be set to music. The tradition is old and honorable. Ochs, in The Ballad of Medgar Evers, tells how
Evers, as a boy of fourteen in Mississippi 
                                            PHIL OCHS
AT DEALEY PLAZA 
Jim Glover: 
“Phil was into the
investigation of the plot before Dallas 
“Before Phil went to Dallas 
 “I now believe
anyone who went there to watch or report were being set up in case the ‘Oswald
all alone’ thing did not pass, the next patsies would be us Castro sympathizers
and then the Mob... or both.  I know it sounds twisted, but that is why
they had to stick to Oswald ‘the lone nut’ who I now believe…. was really
working to kill Castro….” 
“Phil did not say who
told him to go to Dallas CIA ’ and
that FBI Hoover was the bad guy. Soon after that two men identifying themselves
as FBI came over and asked me if I knew where Phil was...Of course I thought
they really knew, but I lied and didn't even tell them about the Kennedy plot
to protect Phil.”
“It was a few months after
“Next he said he was in
Dallas as a ‘national security observer,’ a new role to me but it made
sense….About his Dallas trip he only told me once and that was that he was
standing on the street and when JFK was shot he went towards the scene and saw
the commotion ..... I don't remember him saying he was standing in the street
keeping watch on Elm and Houston when the Limo passed but a few weeks ago I
found him there, a bit blurry but it is in (the film) ‘The First Shot’. Phil
did say he thought it was a Para-Military operation.” 
“I asked him if he
could prove he was there and he said he was being filmed standing by the garage
door of the Dal/Tex building. He also went over toward the crowd and saw a lady
crying….Phil told me it was a paramilitary squad that did it…Soon after I told
his story during a solo set at the Gaslight and Phil found out he said ‘Are you
trying to get me killed?!’ So after that I was more cautious about talking...but
I never was quiet. Phil told me that he was warned - he did not tell me who, he
was warned that if he talk they would say that he was crazy.” [29]
                                           DYLAN AND  JFK ASSASSINATION 
According to his biographer: “Dylan was on his way uptown to
[his and Och’s manager Albert] Grossman’s office on the afternoon of Friday, November 22, 1963 , when John
F. Kennedy was shot in Dallas 
“When he returned to the Village he, Suze and Carla sat and
watched the national tragedy through the rest of the weekend and into the
Monday morning funeral. Like so many across the nation, they were engrossed in
the events unfolding before them: the murder of Oswald, the funeral, the
continual replays of the death of Kennedy, the confirmation of a new president,
the widow refusing to change her blood-soaked dress because she wanted the
world to see her husband’s blood, to see what they had done. Through it all
Dylan sat and watched and said little, just feeling the emotion of it. He drank
a little wine, and played Berlioz’s Reguiem
over and over.” 
“Phil Ochs also felt it in Bob: ‘Oh, yea, I was overcome
with it. Yeah, that feeling was everywhere. I was almost destroyed with that
very same thing. You’re sticking your neck out, a public figure, and there’s an
obvious fear. You’re political and obviously the bad guys are on the loose and
maybe gonna kill anybody who’s out front, and you get scared. Bob never talked
about it, but it was there.” 
“Although many felt it in Dylan at the time, he denies it
today. ‘I didn’t feel it any more than anybody else,’ he told me. ‘We were all
sensitive to it. The assassination took more of the shape of a happening. I read
about those things happening to Lincoln Garfield 
“Yet, despite Bob’s denial, the murder did have an enormous
effect on him. He signaled that feeling to very close friends, and a couple of
weeks after Kennedy’s death, Dylan gave a disastrous speech that indicated how
much the assassination had troubled him. He went to the grand ballroom of the
Hotel Americana in New York 
“…Dylan began to think of Kennedy’s murder, which had been
deplored by speaker after speaker that night and he said: ‘I’ll stand up and be
uncompromisable about it, which I have to be to be honest. I just got to be, as
I got to admit that the man who shot President Kennedy - Lee Oswald - I don’t
know exactly what he thought he was doing, but I got to admit honestly that I,
too - I saw some of myself in him. I don’t think it could have gone that far -
I don’t think it could go that far. But I got to stand up and say that I saw
things that he felt, in me - not to go that far and shoot…’ Some members of the
audience began to boo and his, and Dylan went forward: ‘You can boo, but
booing’s got nothing to do with it - it’s uh - I just uh - I’ve got to tell
you, man, it’s the Bill of Rights, it’s free speech and….’ Someone broke in and
said his time was up and Dylan later claimed the chairman began kicking me
under the table, and he finished up by quickly saying he accepted the award in
behalf of James Foreman and the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee and
he went off amid boos and some applause, beat it out of there.” 
Dylan said, “All I can say is politics is not my thing at
all. I can’t see myself on a platform talking about how to help people. Because
I would get myself killed if I really tried to help anybody. I mean, if
somebody really had something to say to help somebody out, just bluntly says
the truth, well obviously they’re gonna be done away with. They’re gonna be
killed.”  [30 Continued]
                                                     “CRUCIFIXION”
 In a tribute to JFK,
Phil Ochs wrote "That Was the
President," and in the dust jacket liner notes commented: "My
Marxist friends can't understand why I wrote this song and that's probably one
of the reasons why I'm not a Marxist. After the assassination, Fidel Castro
aptly pointed out that only fools could rejoice at such a tragedy, for systems,
not men, are the enemy." [31]
Ochs also wrote another song that is said to be inspired by
the assassination of President Kennedy - “Crucifixion.”
[32]
Wikipedia has a page devoted to just to the song that says Ochs
wrote "Crucifixion" during a two-hour car ride in the middle of his
November 1965 concert tour of the U.K. 
Wiki: “The song is about the rise and fall of a hero, and
the public's role in creating, destroying, and deifying its heroes….’Crucifixion’
usually is interpreted as an allegory likening the life and assassination
of U.S. President John F. Kennedy to the career of Jesus,
although the song may refer to other heroes as well. In 1973, Ochs
explained ‘Crucifixion’ to Studs Terkel. In the distant past, Ochs said,
the people would sacrifice a healthy young man to the gods; today, things were
the same. The Kennedy assassination, in a way, was destroying our best in some
kind of ritual. People say they really love the reformer, they love the
radical, but they want to see him killed. It's a certain part of the human
psyche — the dark side of the human psyche.” [33]
Wiki also notes that the first recording of
"Crucifixion" was released in 1966 by Jim and Jean, “a musical
duo made up of Ochs's college friend Jim Glover and Glover's wife,
Jean Ray.” [34]
“In March 1967, U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy and
journalist Jack Newfield met Ochs, on a plane and Ochs sang
‘Crucifixion’ for them. When Kennedy realized the song was about his brother,
tears came to his eyes.” [35]
                                                    ALICE SKINNER 
The line in the Wiki entry on Ochs mentions that: “When
Kennedy was assassinated on November
 22, 1963 , Ochs wept. He told his wife that he thought he was going
to die that night. It was the only time she ever saw Ochs cry.” 
If his wife Alice Skinner saw him cry on 11/22/63  - the day JFK was killed, she would
know if he was in Dallas 
Jim Glover says that Ochs flew home from Dallas 
Ochs told Glover that on the flight home he sat on the plane
with a British photographer/filmographer, possibly the same one who filmed him
standing on the Houston Street 
Another thing that stood out, besides his wife saying that
he cried that night, is the Wiki reference to Suzie Rotolo being a witness to
the Ochs-Skinner wedding, when Jim Glover served as the best man. 
“In 1962, Phil Ochs married Alice Skinner, who was pregnant
with their daughter Meegan, in a City Hall ceremony with Jim Glover as
best man and Jean Ray as bridesmaid, and witnessed by Dylan's
sometime girlfriend, Suze Rotolo….” [37]
                                                   
SUZE ROTOLO  - BOB DYLAN
Suze Rotolo was quite a Greenwich Village 
character, artist, writer, sister to the secretary of folk archivist Alan
Lomax, the girl on the cover of Dylan’s popular “Freewheelin’” album, Bob
Dylan’s ex, and an illegal visitor to Cuba 
Suzie Rotolo quite coincidently - earlier came into the  story when it was noted that she attended a summer
youth camp with Elliot and Steve Kenan, twins from Philadelphia 
Elliot Kenan is a folk guitarist who once ran the Guitar
Workshop in Philadelphia Temple  University Philadelphia 
The Guitar Workshop, originally in North Philadelphia near
Temple University, later moved to Sanson Street, just around the corner from
Rittenhouse Square, the Heights-Asbury/Greenwich Village hippie hangout where
there was a reported Oswald sighting in the summer of ’63. That Oswald event occurred
when those involved in the Quebec 
There are other questionable aspects of this march related
to the assassination, including the fact that the previous San
  Francisco Minsk Philadelphia Quebec Washington  D.C. CIA  employee James B.
Wilcott, who later testified about Oswald’s possible clandestine double agent
activities in Japan 
Steve Kenin is also an interesting character. After visiting
Cuba Temple  University New York Mexico Mexico City Cuba 
Tony Summers and other researches have also questioned
whether Steve Kenin is the mysterious LICOZY3 - a Philadelphia Mexico City CIA -FBI control. [44] 
There is also the question of whether another young American
student - folksinger Chris Smither, who was at the University 
 of Mexico City 
Another questions is whether the FBI’s COINTELPRO or the CIA ’s
CHAOS programs included the surveillance and infiltration of student groups or the
folk music political protesters of whom Phil Ochs and Bob Dylan were the
principal exponents at the time.  
Ochs’ FBI file, over 400 pages, indicates that they took
Ochs seriously, and considered him a threat, though there seems to be no
indication that the FBI knew of his continuing association with the Air Force
Intelligence or Air Force Reserves Intelligence. [46]
The question that is especially important - did Phil Ochs
maintain his association with the US Air Force intelligence officers who ran
the undercover ROTC operations against student radicals when he was in college,
and who were they?  Who ran Phil Ochs
when he was “working undercover” as an infiltration agent? If not the FBI, was
it military intelligence or the CIA ? [47]
As a witness at Och’s wedding, Bob Dylan’s former girlfriend, Suze Rotolo is a solid link between Phil Ochs and Dylan, whose relationship with Rotolo is best personified by the photo of them walking down 'Positively'
The relationship between Dylan and Rotolo was said to have
been intense, and their impending breakup may have sparked Dylan’s
cross-country road trip in which he and some friends drove from New
  York City San Francisco New Orleans Dealey 
 Plaza Dallas 
While there are other road trips of note that are a part of
the assassination lure - such as the Huma Bunker Raid [49], Ruth Paine’s summer
vacation [50] (which wound up at Oswald’s apartment in New Orleans), and the
caravan that included Marita Lorenz that reportedly went from Florida to Dallas
with a cache of arms [51]. Bob Dylan’s cross country trip is illustrative since
it included stops at relevant assassination sites in Louisiana and Texas. 
Peter Karman, a British writer and reporter for the London
Daily Mirror, had introduced Dylan to Suze and Carla Rotolo. Carla was
secretary to legendary folk collector Alan Lomax, and her sister Suze and Dylan
who would hit it off, famously. Then as they were breaking up, Dylan would take
off on this cross country tour. [52]
“Hey,” Dylan reportedly said to Karman, “wanna ride
cross-country with us? Gonna do some concerts, ramble ‘round the country. Show
ya some of the places I been, like Central City, Atlanta Greenwood New
  Orleans 
Leaving New York San Francisco 
First they dropped in unannounced to visit American
historical icon Carl Sandberg, who Dylan wanted to meet because Woody Gunthre
had spoken highly of him. Dylan gave Sandberg a copy of his new album, “The Times They Are ‘a Changin’,” and
then they drove to New Orleans, where they were kicked out of a couple of
French Quarter bars near Oswald’s old neighborhood. 
Then they went to Dallas Dealey 
 Plaza 
“…On entering Dallas Dealey 
 Plaza Dallas Dealey  Plaza 
When they got to San Francisco, Dylan hooked up with Joan
Baez, and they visited her sister, who was married to Richard Farina, (author
of the novel “Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up To Me”), and had been in the Cuban
mountains with Castro when he was a struggling revolutionary. [54]
Also in San Francisco, at the Monterey International Pop
Music Festival a few years later, David Crosby of the Byrds tells the crowd
that the Warren Report is a lie & that JFK was killed a conspiracy, and
dedicates a reworded version of the song, "He Was a Friend of Mine,"
to JFK. [55]
                                             Albert Maher, Bob Dylan and Pete Foreman
                                                      ALBERT
LASATER MAHER 
Back in New York Texas Cuba Cuba New York City Cuba Cuba 
When Dylan accepted the 1964 Tom Paine award, he did so in
the name of the American students who traveled to Cuba 
Robert Sheldon in his biography of Dylan writes: “…In spring
1964, Life magazine showed Dylan in
his surliest mood with Geno Foreman and Albert Maher. Maher, a Harvard
  Square Cuba Houston Bay of Pigs . In early
1964, Dylan hung out with Maher sporadically. Some months after Bob and Suze
spit up, she and Maher began a long relationship.” [57]
Winsip Custer wrote, “So like a similar personality, Albert
Lasater Maher, who like C. Wright Mills [author of “Listen Yankee” (Ballentine, 1960)] was the descendant of a prominent Texas 
According to Custer, “Maher's father, John F. Maher, was
shown in the 1979 SEC  report of Zapata Corporation to own 5.9% of
the common stock -- 527,964 shares and was domiciled at 2131 San Felipe,
Houston, the address for Hobby Communications, the company of former Texas
Governor William P. Hobby whose family was intermarried with U.S. Ambassador to
El Salvador and San Antonio, TX businessman, Henry Catto.  Catto's wife,
Jessica Hobby Catto, a prominent San Antonio environmentalist served on
the Board of Trinity University, a Presbyterian related college, on whose board
serves such notable personalities as former U.S. President, George Herbert
Walker Bush and Presbyterian pastor, Louis Zbinden.” [59]
So after breaking up with Dylan,
Suze took up with Al Maher, who Dylan dedicated his Tom Paine Award. Al is the
son of a Houston , Texas 
                                         DYLAN & OSWALD 
Back in New York Dylan also hung
out with Geno Foreman [60] “… a zany motorcycle maverick, Bostonian who
appealed to Dylan….”  whose father, Clark
Foreman, [61] organized a formal dinner party fund raiser for the Emergency
Civil Liberities Committee (ECLC) at the Americana Hotel Grand Ballroom, and
gave Dylan the Tom Paine Award for his social activism for civil rights. 
As it has been reported: "By
1963, Dylan and Baez were both prominent in the civil rights movement, singing together
at rallies including the March on Washington 
Dylan later tried to explain: “When I spoke of Lee Oswald, I
was speaking of the times. I was not speaking of his deed, if it was his deed,
the deed speaks for itself. But I am sick so sick at hearin ‘we all share the
blame’ for every church bombing, gun battle, mine disaster, poverty explosion,
and president killing that comes bout, it is so easy to say ‘we’ an bow our
heads together. I must say ‘I’ alone and bow my head alone for it is I alone
who is livin’ my life.”
Dylan also wrote a long letter-poem, an apology of sorts, to
the members of the National Emergency Civil Liberties Committee (NECLC), which
was distributed with an accompanying letter by Corliss Lamont. [62. See for
complete speech transcript, letter and poem to ECLC].
Author of numerous pamphlets on various political and
philosophical issues, ala Tom Paine, copies of Dr. Corlis Lamont’s “Crime
Against Cuba” was specifically requested by Lee Harvey Oswald when he wrote to
the New York CIA 
and FBI. The CIA  had requested a copy of the
FPCC letterhead that they were preparing to use in a psychological operation
against the group, one coordinated with the FBI who planned on a “black bag
job” or an illegal break in of the FPCC New York office. [63]
Oswald had obtained copies of Lamont’s pamphlet, stamped
them with the 544 Camp Street , New
  Orleans New Orleans 
When he was arrested for creating a disturbance with the
Cubans Oswald requested to see an FBI agent, and met Special Agent Quigley.
Oswald gave Quigley a copy of the Lamont pamphlet and told him that his FPCC
activities were directed by one “A.J. Hidel.” [64]
Lamont distributed his pamphlets himself through a New York
Post Office box and received an order from the CIA 
for 50 “Crime Against Cuba” pamphlets, which some have suggested may have ended
up with Oswald in New Orleans, though this contention has been disputed as
there was more than one printing of the pamphlet. [65]
Jim Glover claimed that Ochs said that he had learned of a
plot to kill the president and was “working with the FPCC to find out more
about it,” and that one day they were to meet someone from the FPCC in the
subway but they didn’t hook up. Glover said that he later contacted V.T. Lee
who confirmed that, “Phil was with us.” [66]
V.T. Lee was also Oswald’s correspondence contact at the New
York FPCC. 
So Phil Ochs had attended an exclusive Virginia 
But there’s more, including Phil Ochs support of the victims
of the coup in Chile 
                                          PHIL OCHS  -  SEAN PHILLIPS 
Shawn Phillips, a Fort Worth, Texas folksinger of that era, wrote
a song called "For JFK RFK & MLK "  and also covered Phil Ochs’ song “I’m Tired,” which according to Jim
Glover, was never officially released. So Glover contacted Sean Phillips, via
Facebook, and asked him how he got the song and Phillips replied that Phil, “taught
me the song one night after we had made the rounds of the cafes for basket
money. We were both staying at a mutual friend’s Apt. Needless to say, we were
both a tad wired from the evening, ya know, one of those all nighters. Cheers,…
Shawn "[67]
It turns out that David Atlee Phillips was Shawn's Uncle,
brother to Shawn's father, James Atlee Philips. [68]
Wiki: “In August 1971, Phil went to Chile 
“In October, Ochs left Chile Argentina Uruguay Argentina Bolivia Bolivia Bolivia Peru United
  States 
“Ochs was personally invited by John Lennon to
sing at a large benefit at the University 
 of Michigan United
  States 
Ochs decided to travel. In mid-1972, he went to Australia Africa  in 1973, where he
visited Ethiopia Kenya South Africa Dar
  es Salaam , Tanzania CIA .
Still, he continued his trip, even recording a single in Kenya 
“On September 11,
 1973 , the Allende government of Chile Chile Chile 
Bob Spitz, in Dylan, A
Biography, wrote:  “Pete Seeger, for
one, had informal ties to members of the now-deposed Allende government and
performed several Chilean folk songs in his repertoire. For Phil Ochs, the
revolution meant a more personal and tragic loss. Ochs had maintained a close,
albet long-distance, friendship with folksinger Victor Jara, who was often
described as ‘the Bob Dylan of Chile 
“Ochs was severely shaken by the news of Jara’s death.
Immediately, he set out to organize a concert to benefit Chilean refuges, and
in no small part, to embarrass CIA 
officials, whom he blamed for the coup. ‘I’m going to pull this thing off if
it’s the last thing I do,’ he told a friend one night over drinks at Max’s Kansas
  City 
“Ochs was in no shape to promote a folk concert, much less
sing in one. His career had been in a kamikaze nosedive, brought on by his
self-destructive fantasy. He struggled with alcoholism, manic depression,
paranoia bordering on madness, and, worse perhaps, he had lost his voice as a
result of having been mugged in Africa . Unable to sing,
Ochs masqueraded as a political radical until the Chilean benefit materialized,
and his Janus-like personality found a new focus.” 
“The trouble was, nobody gave a damn about Phil Ochs or his
concert. As an activist, he was a Model A in an era of hatchback sedans. He was
an old hippie, struggling to keep the movement alive at a time when it was
already considered long dead and buried. Politics was anathema to a generation
of budding art-rockers who were content to entrust it to the politicians…” 
They needed a draw, and saw that Canadian native American
Indian folk singer Buffy St. Marie was playing at the Bottom Line, where Ochs
ran into Bob Dylan at the bar. Phil talked Dylan, even though they hadn’t seen
each other in a decade, into returning to his apartment where he did his best
to convince Dylan to perform at the Chile 
“You’re that kid from Minnesota 
“(Dylan) admitted he knew nothing of the events in Chile Chile CIA 
interference, and gave the country its first real glimmer of hope. Then, for an
encore, he reenacted a perfect recitation of Allende’s ill-fated inaugural
address. Bob was overwhelmed by Phil’s performance and pumped him for more
information about Chile, until the sun came up, the wine ran out, and the two
men went their separate ways…..The Chilean benefit signaled a momentous shift
in Bob’s career.” 
Lola Cohen: “Bob came over to the apartment, and we were
downstairs in that bunker. And Phil had Salvador Allende’s inaugurations speech,
his inaugural address. And he read it. And it was just—we were just blown away,
and we were silent. And it was very—you know, very moving. And he told us about
Víctor Jara and that he had to do this to avenge Víctor’s death for his wife
and child.” [72]
Jim Glover: “Yes... Phil, Dylan, Dennis Hopper and I went
out for a drinking lunch before the concert. When Dylan asked me if I was in
the Union  I said I used to be but they never did me much
good... Phil started crying right there... I always suspected Dylan knew Phil’s
secret role which is the real reason he could not blow the whistle and in those
days whistle Blowers besides the Pentagon Papers guy were rare. In 74’…. he
said they told him if he talked they would say he was crazy….. [73]
The (Chile six o’clock , they crept off to the Iron Horse, a commuters
tavern in Penn Station, where they hooked up with actor Dennis Hopper and
proceeded to get shit-faced drunk. When the concert finally started and Ochs
introduced his pals from the stage, it resembled a benefit to combat chronic
alcoholism. Bob and Van Ronk looked like a couple of derelicts who had wondered
in off Seventh Avenue . They were off their nut. By the
time they got to the final, a jug of wine had been uncorked on stage, and the
ensemble broke into ‘Blowin’ in the Wind,’ Van Ronk had to keep whispering the
lyrics into Bob’s ear.” 
“The Chilean benefit signaled a momentous shift in Bob’s
career. What a relief it had been not to be a spokesman or a prophet, but just
Bob again. Just one of the guys who had gotten good and drunk and jammed with
some friends….” [74]
                       PHIL OCHAS AS CIA  AGENT JOHN BUTLER TRAIN 
                                        “I is someone
else.” - Rimbaud [75] 
In his autobiography Bob Dylan wrote: “….someplace along the
line Suze had also introduced me to the poetry of French Symbolist poet Arthur
Rimbaud. That was a big deal, too. I came across one of his letters called, ‘Je
est un autre,’ which translates into ‘I is someone else.’ When I read those
words the bells went off. It made perfect sense…”
In 1975 Ochs began to “freak people out by claming he was
really a CIA  agent named John Train and that
‘Phil Ochs’ had to be killed.” 
Dave McGowan wrote that shortly after his successful “War is
Over” rally in 1975 Ochs, 
“began compiling curious lists, with entries that clearly were
references to US biological warfare research: ‘shellfish toxin, Fort Dietrich,
cobra venom, Chantilly Race Track, hollow silver dollars, New York Cornell
Hospital …” and as John Train, McGowan noted, “proclaimed himself to be a CIA 
operative and presented himself as a belligerent, right-wing thug.” He would be
dead within a year.
“It is suggested that Ochs/Train may have indeed been a spy
with two personalities – personalities that are at complete odds with one
another but personalities that don’t know the other exists. It is important to
note that the Ochs family spent time at military bases in his early life and…while
Ochs considered himself a leftist, man of the people, he loved American Western
films, and the idea of a strong America 
As one internet account reports: “Ochs was founder of the
Yippee party, sang with protesters, and
appeared as a witness for the trail of the Chicago 
Wiki:  “In mid-1975,
Ochs took on the identity of John Butler Train. He told people that
Train had murdered Ochs, and that he, John Butler Train, had replaced him.
Train was convinced that someone was trying to kill him, so he carried a weapon
at all times: a hammer, a knife, or a lead pipe. Ochs's friends tried to help
him. His brother Michael attempted to have him committed to a psychiatric
hospital. Friends pleaded with him to get help voluntarily. They feared for his
safety, because he was getting into fights with bar patrons. Unable to pay his
rent, he began living on the streets. After several months, the Train persona
faded and Ochs returned, but his talk of suicide disturbed his friends and
family. They hoped it was a passing phase, but Ochs was determined.” [78]
Brother Michael Ochs: Basically, Phil was a manic
depressive. And the manic binge he went on, probably out of desperation,
frustration, etc., he went too far, and he never got back. He became, as we do,
we get depressed afterwards, and he couldn’t see the next mountain due to the
valley he was stuck in. And we tried to get him help. And he finally went to a
shrink, but then, a week later, he killed himself. [79] 
One of his biographers explains Ochs's motivation: “By
Phil's thinking, he had died a long time ago: he had died politically in
Chicago in 1968 in the violence of the Democratic National Convention; he had
died professionally in Africa a few years later, when he had been strangled and
felt that he could no longer sing; he had died spiritually when Chile had been
overthrown and his friend Victor Jara had been brutally murdered; and, finally,
he had died psychologically at the hands of John Train.” [80]
                                           THE REAL  JOHN TRAIN 
In his book “Family of
Secrets” Russ Baker details how, in New York in late April 1963, Lee Harvey
Oswald’s “best friend” George deMohrenschildt, met withThomas Devine, as CIA 
operative code named WUBRINY/1, at the offices of John Train, whose investment
banking firm oversaw CIA  propriety
companies. [81]
When Devine ostensibly “retired” from the CIA 
in 1953 he formed the Zapata Oil company with George H.W. Bush, and when they
sold it, Bush went into politics while Devine joined the investment firm of
Train, Cabot and Associates, whose primary partner was John Train. 
Train is described by Baker as “a longtime enthusiast of
foreign intrigues,” who worked for three presidents.  
The 1975 CIA  memo reads:
“Through Mr. Gale Allen…I learned that Mr. George Bush, DCI 
designate, has prior knowledge of the now terminated project WUBRINY / LPDICTUM which was involved
in propriety commercial operations in Europe . He became
aware of this project through Mr. Thomas
J. Devine, a former CIA  Staff Employee
and later, oil-wildcatting associate with Mr. Bush. Their joint activities culminated in the establishment of Zapata Oil [sic] which they
eventually sold. After the sale of
Zapata Oil, Mr. Bush went into politics, and Mr. Devine became a member of the investment firm of Train, Cabot and Associates,
New York 
Russ Baker writes: “The writer of the above-mentioned CIA 
memo had appended an earlier memo from agency files, describing Thomas Devine’s
role in a CIA  project codenamed WUBRINY.
Devine was ‘a cleared and witting contact in the investment banking firm which
houses and manages the proprietary corporation WUSALINE.” (BRINY was actually a
Haiti-based operation engaged by a corporation, code-named SALINE, that was a
whole owned by the CIA . SALINE, like many CIA 
proprietaries, was in turn operating inside a ‘legitimate’ corporation,
whose employees were generally unaware of the spies in their midst.) In this
case, the cover corporation was run by
investment banker, John Train, a sponsor and longtime
enthusiast of foreign intrigues, backing the Afghan rebels during the
Regan-Bush years. 9 Train was enormously well connected, and received
appointments from president Reagan, Bush Senior, and even Bill Clinton.” [82]
Note 9: “An article by Richard Cummings… asserts that Paris Review cofounder and editor Peter
Matthiessen was a CIA  agent whose literary
activities served as a cover for his intelligence work. Also, the Review’s longtime editor George Plimpton
‘was an agent of influence’ for the CIA ….invariably
paid for (his) services.’” [83]
Russ Baker Note 42: “Members of this club include David
Rockefeller and John Hay Whitney, publisher of the New York Herald Tribute.”
“There were two others present. One was C. Frank Stone III ,
chief of operations for the European section of the CIA ’s
clandestine wing. The other was M. Clemard Joseph Charles, the general manager
of the Banque Commerciale D’ Haiti 
“This ‘contact report’ was declassified in 1998 but went
unnoticed at the time. The purpose of the 1963 meeting, it said, was to prepare
for the impending arrival from Dallas of George de Mohrenschildt, who was
described as a business contact of Haitian banker…’Mr. Charles.’” 
According to Baker, de Mohrenschildt arrived the next
afternoon, “at the New York 
“This was in fact the covering organization for operation
WUBRINY, and WUBRINY’s chief agent and operator, WUBRINY/1 - who was none other
than Thomas Devine. 45” [86]
In January 1968, Devine (WUBRINY1) and George H.W. Bush Sr
went to Vietnam 
So the real John Train was an investment banker who ran CIA 
propriety companies, was a co-founder of the Paris Review, and in April of 1963, (when Oswald was shooting at
Gen Walker and Ochs was infiltrating the FPCC), Train was associated with both G.
W. Bush’s business partner at Zapata - Thomas Devine as well as Oswald’s good
friend George deMohrenschildt. 
When G.H. Walker Bush and Thomas J. Devine sold their
interest in Zapata, Bush got into politics and Devine joined Train’s firm in New
  York City 
The son of one of the new Zapata investors, John Maher, of Houston New York Washington Cuba 
The Ballad of JOHN BUTLER TRAIN 
By © Mark Tindall [88]
Follow me now, follow me close,
Follow my every step
My name is John Butler Train
(Don’t think that we have met)
Don’t you ever forget
VS
Bipolar light and bottled mind
Smoking on the stage
Words woven deep in political threads
Wisdom of the sage
Hammer, knife or plain lead pipe
Or demon drink my friend
Farewell Dylan, Lennon and Co.
Going round the bend
Homeless street, without a cent
Tom, Sanders, manage me
Ochs is dead, I murdered him
Who wants to murder me
Look ahead , now look around
CIA  and FBI
Play the song, sing out loud
While I live and die
CODA:
Phi Ochs , where have you gone? John Butler Train
My name is John Butler Train
Follow my every step
My name is John Butler Train
(Don’t think that we have met)
Don’t you ever forget
VS
Bipolar light and bottled mind
Smoking on the stage
Words woven deep in political threads
Wisdom of the sage
Hammer, knife or plain lead pipe
Or demon drink my friend
Farewell Dylan, Lennon and Co.
Going round the bend
Homeless street, without a cent
Tom, Sanders, manage me
Ochs is dead, I murdered him
Who wants to murder me
Look ahead , now look around
Play the song, sing out loud
While I live and die
CODA:
Phi Ochs , where have you gone? John Butler Train
My name is John Butler Train
                                                THE DEATH OF PHIL
OCHS 
“In January 1976, Ochs moved to Far Rockaway, New
  York April 9, 1976 , Ochs hanged
himself.” 
Congresswoman Bella Abzug (Democrat from New
York), an outspoken anti-war activist herself who had appeared at the 1975
"War is Over" rally, entered this statement into the Congressional
Record on April 29, 1976: “Mr. Speaker, a few weeks ago, a young
folksinger whose music personified the protest mood of the 1960s took his own
life. Phil Ochs—whose original compositions were compelling moral statements
against war in Southeast Asia —apparently felt that he
had run out of words.” [89]
Wiki: Years after his death, it was revealed that the FBI
had a file of nearly 500 pages on Ochs. Much of the information in those files
relates to his association with counterculture figures, protest
organizers, musicians, and other people described by the FBI as
"subversive". The FBI was often sloppy in collecting information on
Ochs: his name was frequently misspelled "Oakes" in their files, and
they continued to consider him "potentially dangerous" after his
death. [90]
Indeed, I will wager, even before I request them, that Phil
Och’s Air Force ROTC and Intelligence File will be withheld as a matter of
“national security.” 
                                            GOD
and SENATOR DODD 
                                       Phil
Ochs, Oswald and Senator Dodd 
In “Draft Dogger Rag” Ochs wrote that, “I believe in God and
Senator Dodd and a keepin’ old Castro down…..” 
[91]
Senator Pat Dodd of
Dodd also held Congressional hearings of the Juvenile Delinquency Subcommittee on banning mail order pistols and specifically targeted Seaport Traders, from whom Oswald allegedly ordered his pistol from.
Dodd also ordered a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle and in the summer
of ’63 investigated the Fair Play for Cuba Committee with the Senate Internal
Security Subcommittee.  [92]
One of Dodd’s staff members was arrested in Cuba Hyannis Massachusetts 
In 1976, shortly after the death of Phil Ochs, Sen. Dodd’s
son U.S. Rep. Christopher Dodd (D. Conn.) was instrumental in the establishment
of the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA). [93]
CONCLUSION 
Whether or not Phil Ochs was filmed and photographed at
Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination, he had a number of associations
with those who, if the assassination was not the work of a deranged loner but
that of a domestic covert intelligence operation, could have given him
foreknowledge of the plan to assassinate President Kennedy. 
Phil Ochs had associations with organizations and
individuals that should be further explored including contacts he made at different
times and places, including: 
1)     Staunton 
 Virginia  Military 
 Academy 
2)     Ohio 
 State  University Columbus , Ohio 
3)     As
a protest singer in NYC Ochs was directed to become affiliated with the FPCC,
and knew V.T. Lee, with whom Lee Harvey Oswald also communicated.
4)     Originally
from Texas Ft. Worth , Texas 
Besides being in a position to obtain foreknowledge of a 1963
plot to kill the president from his associations with the above, Phil Ochs
later developed connections with those somehow affiliated with the
assassination - including David Atlee Phillips, Zapata stock holders Art and
John Maher of Houston, and Zapata corporate founder Thomas Devine and his CIA 
associate John Train, who have direct connections to the assassination through
their April 1963 meetings with George deMohrenschildt. 
Further research needs to be done in the review of the two
biographies of Phil Ochs, the documentary films on the subject as well as Ochs
official FBI (COINTELPRO), CIA  and Air Force
Intelligence files. 
It would also be interesting to know, possibly from his
brother or daughter, if Phil Ochs received treatment for his mental and
psychotic problems in the years before he died, to see if they were in any way
connected to the MKULTRA doctors who were doing similar type of experiments on
students, prisoners, soldiers and employees, and whether Ochs was one of those
subjects. 
This is a work in
progress.  Stay tuned for the next episode
of this continuing saga…..when we hope to answer some of the still outstanding
questions.  
The Ballad of Billie Sol
By Phil Ochs
Billie Sol was a man
From the giant Texas 
He put the Chamber of Commerce on a limb
They voted him the best
And the government did no less
Until the I.O.U.'s of Texas 
Stand tall, Billie Sol, we don't know you at all
We've taken down your pictures from the wall
Well, we don't want to handle an agriculture scandal
We have got to face elections in the fall
I remember when
Bill had influential friends
He celebrated Christmas every day
He filled texas banks with his fertilizer tanks
Influential friends don't die they only fade away
Stand tall, Billie Sol, we don't know you at all
We've taken down your pictures from the wall
Well, we don't want to handle an agriculture scandal
We have got to face elections in the fallThe democrats deny
And Orville Freeman sighs
He said "Everyone around was fair and square"
But He was no more convincing
than Ezra Taft Benson
As resignations cropped up everywhere
Stand tall, Billie Sol, we don't know you at all
We've taken down your pictures from the wall
Well, we don't want to handle an agriculture scandal
We have got to face elections in the fall
And now I'd like to say
that crime sure doesn't pay
But if you want to make some money on the sly
Well you can always rent
The U.S. 
It's the best one that money can buy.
Stand tall, Billie Sol
We don't know you at all
We've take down your pictures from the wall
Well, we don't want to handle
and agriculture scandal
We have got to face elections in the fall
SOURCES, FOOTNOTES AND 
NOTES: 
Footnotes to Phil Ochs in Dealey 
 Plaza 
1.      O’Brian,
Gary 
2.      Ochs
now among the list of those who expressed foreknowledge of the assassination.
For more on those who expressed foreknowledge see: http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2009/08/foreknoweldge-and-jfk-assassination.html
3.      1968
Democratic National Convention, Chicago incident and Ochs is mentioned in the
Walker Report - the official report on the causes and prevention of violence,
which included a number of Warren Commission attornies, and has a special chapter
devoted to the point which included Ochs (and the author), and specifically mentions
Ochs. I used the official reports of this incident to test my memory of what I
recall occurred and while most of it is as I remember, I thought that it
happened on the 18th floor. What is scary is among the ways the military
determined which floor articles were being thrown - beer cans, ashtrays and
smoked fish, they did so through the scopes of rifles! I now believe that this
incident too, was started by an undercover agitator associated with the
military. Walker Report:
4.      Education
Forum links: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=12124
5.      Photo
from film a) Dal-Tex Houston Street 12:35 pm  11/22/63 ; and b) enlargement photo. Provided by
Jim Glover.
6.      Ochs,
Phil. Basic Background http://www.whale.to/b/phil_ochs.html
7.      Ochs,
Phil. Discography - “Draft Dogger Rag” http://www.cowboylyr...-rag-11443.html
8.      WXPN
- Meatball Fulton 
9.      Ochs’
album cover and lyrics to WBY at Grant Park. 
10.  Wiki Entry
- http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2013/04/phil-ochs-wiki.html
11.  Glover, Jim
- Facebook https://www.facebook.com/jim.glover.5815
12.  Glover, Jim
- Emailed recollections http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2013/04/jim-glover-on-phil-ochs.html.
13.  ROTC on
campus http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2013/04/jim-glover-on-phil-ochs.html
14.  COINTELPRO
- Media FBI breakin. A Heroic Burglary Remembered. Stolen FBI files exposed FBI
campaign of blackmail and intimidation of activists. By Allan M. Jalon. LA
Times, March 8, 2006  [http://reclaimdemocracy.org/articles/2006/fbi_burglary_pennsylvania.php
] Also see: Washington Post, March 24,
 1971  “documents detailing how the bureau had enlisted a local
police chief, letter carriers and a switchboard operator at Swarthmore 
 College Philadelphia 
15.  CHAOS CIA 
- US Army Reserve Memphis links 
16.  Kent 
 State 
18.  Covert
Operative Personality Profile - (COPP) http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2009/08/covert-operational-profile.html
19. Staunton 
 Va.  Military  Academy 
20.   Roth, Phil. “Goodbye Columbus” novela first
published in the CIA ’s Paris Reviewhttp://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2013/03/philip-roth-80th-birthday/63274/
21.  Flint,
Larry. Rebel Mag. http://larryflynt.com/
22.  DISC -
Defense Industrial Security Command 
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2011_cr/disco.htm Responsible for security at
defense industry instillations, especially those that after WWII moved to Texas 
23.  Bell
Helicopter - Oswald’s chief benefactor Michael Paine worked at Bell Helicopter,
where Nazi Gen. Dornberger was VP security. 
24.  Gen
Dynamics - Former FBI  agent 
 I. TFX ]
25.  Collins
Radio - Tippit’s friend Carl Mather worked for Collins Radio, the company that
supplied radios for Air Force One and SAC. 
26.  Gordon
Novel - New Orleans Ohio Virginia CIA 
case officer that mentioned the JMWAVE company that paid insurance to Alabama
National Guard airman killed at Bay of Pigs . Novel
participated on Huma Bunker raid. 
27.  Spitz, Dylan, A Biography, McGraw-Hill, 1989) p. 432
28.  Scaduto,
Anthony - Dylan - An Intimate Biography
(Signet 1971) ,p. 186-7, 188, p. 197),p. 205) 
29.  Glover,
Jim. Emailed recollections. 
30.  Sheldon, Robert
No Direction Home - The Life and Music of
Bob Dylan (Beech Tree, p. 188, 197, 205) Re: Dylan on 11/22/63  - Scaduto,  p. 186.
31.  Ochs, Phil.
Liner notes re: “That Was the President.”
32.  “Crucifixion”
- the assassination made Phil Ochs cry, attributed in footnotes to Michael
Schumacher.
33.  Wiki
“Crucifixion.” 
34.  Jim &
Jean’s Glover version of ‘Crucifixion.’
35.  Newfield,
Jack - RFK Cries Newfield, Jack  (2002).  Somebody's Gotta Tell It: A Journalist's Life on the Lines. (New
York: St. Martin's Press. pp. 176–178.) Re: Ochs and RFK.
36.  Grover, Jim
Re: British film maker flew home with Ochs with film of Dealey 
 Plaza 
37.  Alice
Skinner, Phil’s wife, friend of Suze Rotolo. Wiki reference- “In 1962, Phil Ochs
married Alice Skinner, who was pregnant with their daughter Meegan, in a City
Hall ceremony with Jim Glover as best man and Jean Ray as
bridesmaid, and witnessed by Dylan's sometime girlfriend, Suze Rotolo. Phil
and Alice separated in 1965, but they never divorced.”
38.  Rotolo,
Suze (2008), A Freewheelin’ Time: A
Memoir of Greenwich
 Village  in the Sixites (NY,
Broadway Books, P. 249.)  
39.  Elliot
& Steve Kenin. Basic background. http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/BillKelly/QuakerandLHO.html
40.  Oswald at Rittenhouse
  Square Dallas 
 City Philadelphia 11/26/63 .        
41.  The March
in Minsk 
42.  Robinson
and Wilcott fight in DC car.Documents on Kenin in Mexico
  City 
43.  LICOZY3.
See: Russo, Gus “Live By the Sword”  Footnote: http://quixoticjoust.blogspot.com/2011/08/oswalds-quaker-connection-   in-new.html
44.  Chris
Smither from New Orleans Americas Mexico City 
45.  COINTELPRO
and Ochs, Phil - FBI File (Over 400 pages) 
46.  Who ran
Phil Ochs? Air Force Intelligence?
47.  “Freewheelin’”
album cover. 
48.  Huma Bunker
Raid The
Houma Bunker Raid Revisted
49.  Ruth
Paine’s summer vacation. (Carrol Hewett, Barbara Lamonica) 
50.  Lorenz,
Marita.
51.  Dylan’s
Cross-Country Trip Scaduto, Anthony. Dylan
- An Intimate Biography (1972 Signet NY, p. 197), they asked directions to
Dealey Plaza. http://hyderabadin.org/wiki-Bob_Dylan
52.  Karman,
Peter. British journalist, is quoted in Dylan bio but strangely does not appear
to have written about Dylan or the roadtrip himself. 
53.  Farina,
Richard. “Been Down So Long It Looks Like
Up To Me” (x” ) Ref to IRA and with Castro in Cuba 
54.  Monterey 
55.  Maher,
Albert, Lasater. From Houston Cuba 
56.  Sheldon,
Robert. Re: Foreman, Geno. No Direction
Home - The Life and Music of Bob Dylan (Beech Tree Books, Morrow, NY 1986,
57.  Custer,
Winsip. Re: Foreman, Clark (Father); Foreman, Pete (Son) See: “Smedley Butler, William Ayers, Albert
Lasater Maher and the Rough Road To Enlightenment.” Also see: Disillusionment And The Genesis Of
Enlightenment CPW News Service. Smedley Butler, William
Ayers, Albert Lasater Maher ... - winsip custer
58.  Maher, John
F. Owned 5.9% of Zapata in 1979, Hobby Communications. Ibid. Albert Lasater
Maher, father, “John F. Maher, was shown in the 1979 SEC 
report of Zapata Corporation to own 5.9% of the common stock -
527,964 shares and was domiciled at 2131 San Felipe, Houston, the address for
Hobby Communications (Houston Post, TV and radio stations), the company
of former Texas Governor William P. Hobby whose family was intermarried with
U.S. Ambassador to El Salvador San Antonio , TX 
59.  Foreman, Geno.
Friend of Bob Dylan. See photo of them with Maher. 
60.  Foreman, Clark,
father of Geno and director of the Emergency Civil Liberties Committee - ECLC. 
61.  Dylan’s
complete ECLC Speech, letter from Corlis Lamont, and Dylan’s letter-poem to
ECLC members.  http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2013/04/bob-dylans-remarks.html
62.  Newman,
John. Oswald and the CIA  (1995, Carroll
& Graff, p. 644 appendix) Re: COINTELPRO v FPCC doc http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2013/05/newman-on-fpcc.html
63.  Newman,
John. Oswald and the CIA . Re: Oswald and Quigley.
64.  Re: Lamont’s
pamphlets and the CIA . Comments in response
to an earlier version of this story caused me to revise it in regards to the
origin of the copies of the pamphlets Oswald acquired. 
65.  Glover,
Phil. Re: Ochs and V.T. Lee and FPCC.
66.  Phil Ochs
and Shawn Phillips. Shawn Phillips wrote a song called "For JFK RFK & MLK "  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J4gnrKQ-EM
67.  Shawn Phillips
and James Atlee Phillips. 
69.  With Lennon
et al. 
70.  Australia Africa  
71.  Spitz, Bob. Dylan - A Biography, McGraw-Hill, 1989)
p. 432
72.  Cohen,
Lola. Re: Felt Forum benefit Felt Forum, Dylan, BS p. 437
73.  Glover,
Jim. Re: Benefit Concert for Chile  Chile  Spitz, Bob (Dylan, A Bio, McGraw-Hill, 1989) p. 432  Chile 
74.  Spitz, Bob.
Ibid. 
75.  Dylan, Bob Re:
Rimbaud: Chronicles (Simon &
Schuster, 2004, p. 288)
76.  McGowan,
Dave. Re: John Butler Train. 
77.  Whale
profile of Phil Ochs http://www.whale.to/b/phil_ochs.html
78.  Wiki - Re: Train,
Death. http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2013/04/phil-ochs-wiki.html
79.  Ochs,
Michael. Phil’s brother, quoted in film and on line. 
80.  See: 1969
Ochs Album Cover of grave stone. 
81.  ). Baker,
Russ. “Family of Secrets”
(Bloomsbury, 2009, p. 12-13) notes that it was researcher Jerry Shinley who
discovered the Nov. 29, 1975 CIA  memo that
details George Bush Sr.’s association with former CIA 
officer Thomas J. Devine, which is also mentioned and quoted in detail in Joan
Mellen’s “Our Man in Haiti” (Trineday, 2012)
82.  Baker,
Russ; Re: Devine. Thomas. WUBRINY/1 and deMohrenschildt and Train. Baker, Russ.
Re: SALINE, p. 14. Also see: Mellen, Joan. “Our Man in Haiti 
83.  Cummings,
Richard. “An American in Paris Feb. 16, 2004 )
notes. Also see: (Baker, R. p. 105)
84.  Hugh
Wilford, The Mighty Wurlitzer: How the CIA  Played America Cambridge , MA Harvard  U. CIA  and
the Cultural Cold War (London, Granta, 1999) 
85.  Baker,
Russ. Footnotes Re: Kickerbocker Club. 
86.  Baker,
Russ. Note 44: “HSCA Segregated CIA 
Collection, box 14 ‘Contact Report WUBRINY Haitian Operations (NARA 
record number 104-10436-10014 and 104-10070-10076). Available at Mary Ferrell
Foundation.” 
87.  In Note 45
Baker: “Though Devine is not identified by name in this document, he is in
another CIA  document, ‘Memornadum: MESSRS.
George Bush and Thomas J. Devine,’ January
 30, 1968  (NARA CIA  memo noting that
Devine joined WUBRINY in June was in itself an attempt to hide the involvement
of Poppy’s business associate in the April meeting with deMohrenschildt.” 
88.  Mellen,
Joan. “Our Man in Haiti Vietnam 
89.  Ballad of
John Butler Train. 
90.  Bella
Abzug. Congressional Record. April 29,
 1976 . 
91.  Wiki on
Ochs FBI f
92.  Ochs, Phil.
“Draft Dogger Rag.” 
93.  Evica,
George Michael. And We Are All Mortal
(Trinday, 2012) Re: Senator Pat Dodd. 
94.  Tanenbaucm,
Robert K. Dodd. Re: Rep. Pat Dodd See: Corruption
of Blood (Signet, 1992). 
95.  Conclusions.
Ochs, the son of a medical doctor who was drafted into the US army in 1943 and
was the victim of sever trauma, also seems to have suffered from mental
disease, especially at the end of his life, and may have been the subject of
the same MKULTRA doctors who developed Jessica “Candy Jones” Wilcox (See: “The
Control of Candy Jones,” Playboy Press, 1976). 
96.  Ochs was
friendly with a number of supporters of Chile CIA 
instigated 1972 coup, in part orchestrated by David Atlee Phillips. Ochs
organized a benefit concert for coup refugees that included Bob Dylan, Pete
Seeger and Dave Van Ronk.
97.  “John
Butler Train” the CIA  agent Ochs claimed
killed him at the Chelsea  Hotel CIA 
agent, New York City 
98.  At the time
of deMohrenschildt’s visit Train employed CIA 
agent Thomas Devine (WUBRUNY1) who had sold his interests in the Zapata
corporation - which he had formed in 1953 with George H.W. Bush. 
99.  Among those
who assumed ownership of Zapata after Bush and Devine left was John Maher, of
the Hobby Corp., whose son Art Maher was a pro-Cuban activist associated with
Bob Dylan, Phil Ochs and in 1963 protested the ban on travel to Cuba, was
thrown out of a HUAC hearing on such travel and then broke the law by traveling
to Cuba. 
TWO BOOKS ON OCHS: 
Eliot, Marc Death of A
Rebel: Staring Phil Ochs and a Small Circle 
Schumacher, Michael - There
But for Fortune: The Life of Phil Ochs (NY, Hyperion, 1996). pp. 58, 67,
92. 45. 
DOCUMENTARY FILMS ON OCHS:
http://article.wn.com/view/2011/03/31/x91Phil_Ochs_There_but_for_Fortune_x92_a_sobering_look_at_a_/
http://article.wn.com/view/2011/03/31/x91Phil_Ochs_There_but_for_Fortune_x92_a_sobering_look_at_a_/







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ReplyDeleteRIP Phil. We Love You.
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ReplyDeleteGood work, Bill. I hope you reach some further conclusions.
ReplyDeleteGreat work Bill! Phil Ochs has always been one of my favorite people. I have followed Glover's story on the internet before and you have done a great job with it.
ReplyDeleteIt's fuzzy in my head now but the JFK story was all mixed up in Phil's head with the John Train story...it's on the internet somewhere. Bill
Phil Ochs and an Oaks:
ReplyDeleteI believe that you have the last name misspelled two times, assuming that where Ochs is meant where Oaks appears twice in different parts of the article. Perhaps he's known with both family names since searching Wikipedia for "Phil Ochs" brings up the page for a musician and singer with this very name, while searching for "Phil Oaks" also provides the page for "Phil Ochs". Oaks doesn't appear in the page but Wikipedia still redirects a search for "Phil Oaks" to the same "Phil Ochs" page.
I assume Oaks should be Ochs since there's no other first name in any way associated with Oaks and it's used or stated like a family name.
If anyone replies regarding my prior post about the Ochs and Oaks names, then it'd be appreciated if the reply was done using this post. The reason is that I wasn't logged in at Google and the option to be emailed notifications when there're follow-up comments wasn't available. It is now, after having logged in at Google.
ReplyDeleteLong, quite exhaustive article, and very interesting. Your continuation piece to be published some day shall surely be one to keep an eye out for.
ReplyDeleteI just learned about your JFK blog early this afternoon from a CorbettReport.com page for an interview with you last year about the JFK Records. And that's the next thing I'll be doing, listening to the 46-minute interview.
http://www.corbettreport.com/the-jfk-records-with-bill-kelly
The video can be downloaded and there's a full-length copy uploaded at YouTube with the same title by a fan of the Corbett Report; in case any readers of this post are interested.
Wow! I had no idea of of Shawn Phillips connections. I 've always dug his music, but I didn't know his political connections as well.
ReplyDeleteThanks!
Great research Bill, but knowing you for 10 years, you always get it right!
ReplyDeleteAwesome work. Helps to explain why Bush Sr. was made Director of CIA, having no prior experience…Nixon knew and at one point 1970 gave Poppy over a hundred thousand dollars for his TX senatorial bid…to no effect. Thanks…for keeping the coup on the front burner...
ReplyDeleteCheck out the new Facebook group Celebrating Phil Ochs’ 75th Birthday (https://www.facebook.com/groups/Ochs75thbirthday/) and the website celebratingphilochs.com
ReplyDeleteThis is some great data-collection, much appreciated.
ReplyDeleteHave quoted and linked here: http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39111
I would like to know about the reference to a Gambino family member his age that Ochs went to Dallas with. Does this connect to Tony Gambino's claim to have been sent to Dealey Plaza? I never believed that story but the Gambino link to Ochs' trip has me wondering
ReplyDeleteWOW! you go all out on phil ochs even knowing he was a big deal.
ReplyDeleteDidnt he call himself John Train and say that the CIA was behind the strangling attack on him and the FBI had files on him wont be surprised if he wasnt murdered
ReplyDeleteYes
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