“I don’t
care about the Sixth Floor sniper, - he didn’t take the head shot. I want
another gunman. Two gunman make a conspiracy….” – Dr. Cyril Wecht.
Patrick
Collins, an otherwise intelligent professional from UK who attended Cambridge,
wrote that “There is no evidene of a gunman other than the one in the Texas
School Book Depository.”
I took
exception to that statement, as many of the ear witnesses were in agreement that
the first two shots were spaced out and the second and third shot were almost
on top of each other – clearly indicating that they were from two different
rifles. Collins just dismisses this basic fact and claims most witnesses said shots evenly spaced - not true.
In
addition, the Z-film indicates to many people that there was a second gunman,
and the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) acoustical echo
analysis proved to a 95% certainty that there was a shot from the right front –
and it indeed came right on top of another shot, less than a second apart.
While the NSF and others have disputed this study, it was carried out by very
reputable military defense contractors – not silly conspiracy theorists, they
stand by their work, and it has never been duplicated – the proper way to
affirm or refute a scientific study.
I mentioned John Orr’s report that also concludes the head shot was fired from a
location other than the TSBD, and the NPIC analysis and briefing of CIA
director John McCone, that McCone reported to RFK concluded the Z-film
indicated to them – NPIC – that there were two gunman.
In
addition, not mentioned is the fact that a number of First Class US Army
snipers told me that after reviewing the Z-film and the situation at Dealey
Plaza, the Sixth Floor TSBD gunman may have taken the shot that hit JFK in the
back, and the Single-Bullet if that theory is correct, but the fatal head shot
was taken by a first class sniper from another location. Their motto is: “One
Shot One Kill,” and they always shoot for the head.
Patrick
Collins didn’t like my response and while he tried to argue with me, he
consulted another UK Lone Nutter – Barry Ryder, who once served as a British Crown prosecutor, who asks four questions that I try to answer.
Patrick
Collins writes: I am posting Barry Ryder’s questions below - augmented -
1) Where can I see Orr's 'report'? See link below for full report.
2) The HSCA acoustics evidence was shown to be incorrect by the National Academy of Sciences (Committee on Ballistic Acoustics) in 1982!
Kelly is right; the 'experiment' that BBN carried out in the Plaza has NEVER been reproduced. Experiments that are done only once are worthless. The whole essence of an experiment is that it is repeated and the results obtained remain the same. This has NEVER been done.
Patrick Collins: BBN conducted a one-off test which included a whole raft of erroneous data. Building measurement sizes and locations were wrong and vehicle positions in the motorcade were wrong. BBN said that the motorcycle with the open mike had to be in a precise position at the corner of Elm and Houston in order for the test result to be correct. The bike was NOT in the required position - it was 120 feet away, still on Houston Street. There's much more that was wrong but, for anybody, in 2019, to still be citing this as 'evidence' shows a woeful lack of knowledge about the case.
1) Where can I see Orr's 'report'? See link below for full report.
2) The HSCA acoustics evidence was shown to be incorrect by the National Academy of Sciences (Committee on Ballistic Acoustics) in 1982!
Kelly is right; the 'experiment' that BBN carried out in the Plaza has NEVER been reproduced. Experiments that are done only once are worthless. The whole essence of an experiment is that it is repeated and the results obtained remain the same. This has NEVER been done.
Patrick Collins: BBN conducted a one-off test which included a whole raft of erroneous data. Building measurement sizes and locations were wrong and vehicle positions in the motorcade were wrong. BBN said that the motorcycle with the open mike had to be in a precise position at the corner of Elm and Houston in order for the test result to be correct. The bike was NOT in the required position - it was 120 feet away, still on Houston Street. There's much more that was wrong but, for anybody, in 2019, to still be citing this as 'evidence' shows a woeful lack of knowledge about the case.
KELLY: It's not my woeful lack of knowledge about the case. I don't bother with photo evidence, medical evidence, ballistics or acoustics - specialized topics I leave to photo experts, doctors, forensics specialists and doctors. But I was at the Congressional hearing when they testified, BBN’s study utilized an exact model of Dealey Plaza – the motorcycle with the
stuck microphone was located and despite the cop’s assertions, his bike had the
open mike and it captured the sounds of the gunshots that were duplicated by
shots fired from high powered rifles by the testing team, and their echos
matched the sounds recorded on the police tape. When asked what if he was told
that the microphone was located at another location other than Dealey Plaza,
the scientist said that if that was the case, he would want to be taken to that
location that would be an exact duplicate of Dealey Plaza and it’s unique echo
chamber.
John T.
Orr - the Last DOJ Attorney to Investigate the JFK Ballistics
How I investigated President John F. Kennedy's assassination
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/11/08/how-investigated-president-john-f-kennedy-assassination/
By John T. Orr
I remember clearly what I was doing the moment President Kennedy was assassinated. I was a 17-year-old college freshman, throwing a football with a friend outside my dorm.\
Someone
came out on the second floor landing and said the president had been shot. We
ran up the steps and into his room and watched Walter Cronkite on the small
black-and-white TV as the tragic events unfolded.
Two days
later, on Sunday morning, I was watching live television coverage of Lee Harvey
Oswald being brought out into the basement garage of the Dallas police building
and stared at the screen in disbelief as Jack Ruby pointed a pistol at Oswald's
chest and murdered him. Those moments that weekend are forever burned in
my memory.
The August 30, 1993, issue of U.S. News & World Report carried a cover story on "Case Closed," a new book by Gerald Posner. The book, like the Warren Commission report, concluded that Oswald assassinated the president acting alone.
Based on the casual research I had done to that point, I believed that there had to have been at least two shooters firing into the limousine.
It was
disturbing that a respected news magazine was proclaiming "Case
Closed" to be the ultimate truth about the assassination and trying very
hard to close the book on the subject once and for all.
After reading the article, and the book itself, I set out on a personal odyssey that consumed me for over 18 months.
On my
own time, completely separate from my Justice Department job, and using my own
money, I began a research project with the goal of uncovering every speck of
original, raw evidence that existed of the gunshots in Dealey Plaza.
If I did
not accomplish that goal, I came very close.
I went
to Dallas and walked around Dealey Plaza, inspecting it from every angle,
including from Oswald's sixth floor window, from the roof of a nearby building,
and from the grassy knoll.
I made numerous trips to the National Archives and read every document and studied every photo they had related to the events in Dealey Plaza.
Based on
a preliminary report of my analysis of the gunshot trajectories, I became one
of the few private citizens ever allowed by the Archives to examine in person
original pieces of evidence in the case--the president's bloody shirt, coat,
and tie, the magic bullet, the bullet fragments from the limousine, and the
section of curb that a bullet struck.
I also
read thousands and thousands of pages of private books, magazines, and reports
on the assassination.
On April
17, 1995, I mailed a 72-page report on the final results of my research project
to Attorney General Janet Reno.
It presented
what was then, and I believe still is, the only complete visual reconstruction
of the gunshots together with all of the evidence supporting it.
The
report proves beyond a reasonable doubt that four shots were fired during the
assassination.
Oswald fired three shots--the first wounding the President in the back and neck, the second missing the President completely and hitting Governor Connally in the back, chest, and thigh, and the third missing the 25-foot-long limousine entirely.
While
Oswald was spraying bullets wildly, another shooter, an expert marksman on the
top of another building, fired a fourth shot, a near-perfect fatal hit at the
center of the back of the president's head that exited the right side of the
head and struck the governor's right wrist.
In the
report, I recommended a number of things the Justice Department could do to
further confirm my analysis.
The
Department directed the FBI to do only one of those things -- examine important
forensic evidence I had pointed out on one of the bullet fragments found in the
limousine. It took about five years to complete that examination and report the
results.
In the
end, the FBI did only a portion of the fragment examination I had requested,
and the results were incomplete and inconclusive. The Department permanently
shut down any further investigation of my analysis.
John T.
Orr is the author of "Analysis of Gunshots in Dealey Plaza." Orr's
independent research convinced the FBI to conduct additional testing on JFK
evidence as late as 1997. Results were inconclusive, but he suggests that even
more testing should be done.
JOHN ORR’S
FULL REPORT:
As for
questions 3 and 4 –
3) The
Zapruder film does not show that there was another firing position other than
the TSBD. If Mr Kelly thinks that 'back-and-to-the-left' proves a frontal shot,
he's watched 'JFK' too many times.\
KELLY:
Mr. Kelly doesn’t think ‘back-to-the-left’ proves anything. I don’t watch the
Z-film, nor do I think ANY of the photo evidence is proof of anything.
I only
call attention to the fact that the CIA’s National Photo Interpretation Center
(NPIC) received a Secret Service copy of the Z-film for analysis – and Dino
Brugioni – author of “Photo Fakery” and “Eyeball to Eyeball” – about the Cuban
Missile Crisis – personally made a series of briefing boards from still frames
of the Z-film that were blown up and pasted on cardboard briefing boards. Two
such boards were made – Brugioni made the first one and a second crew made the
second briefing board. Who was briefed on the second board is not known, but
Brugioni said that NPIC director Arthur C. Lundahl – personally briefied CIA
director John McCone. When he returned to the NPIC he thanked the crew for
their extra hours of work and said the briefing went well.
While
there is no documentary record of that briefing, CIA historian David Robarge
wrote the definitive biography of McCone, much of which is still redacted and
classified today. While Robarge doesn’t mention the NPIC briefing, it could be
part of the redacted sections.
4) Where can I find the CIA/NPIC "..analysis of the Z film that concluded there were two guns."?
You can’t.
That fits Peter Dale Scott’s “Negative Template” thesis that the most
significant records don’t exist, have been destroyed or are missing, as there
is no official report on Art Lundahl’s briefing of the CIA director John
McCone, though we know from the NPIC employees it occurred.
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/collection/john-mccone-director-central-intelligence-1961-1965
In any case, shortly after the briefing, McCone reported what he knew to Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, who informed JFK’s associate Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. what McCone told him and Schlesinger wrote in his personal journal that RFK told him – “The FBI think it was one assassin; the CIA believe there were two gunman.” That the CIA believed there were two gunman certainly indicates that McCone was referring to the NPIC briefing that the Z-film indicated to them that there must have been two gunman.
In any case, shortly after the briefing, McCone reported what he knew to Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, who informed JFK’s associate Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. what McCone told him and Schlesinger wrote in his personal journal that RFK told him – “The FBI think it was one assassin; the CIA believe there were two gunman.” That the CIA believed there were two gunman certainly indicates that McCone was referring to the NPIC briefing that the Z-film indicated to them that there must have been two gunman.
John Orr will be part of the CAPA legal team that will conduct a Mock Texas Court of Inquiry in Dallas on Friday, November 22, a dry run in preparation for a real TCI.
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