TRULY
AND LUMPKIN FINGER OSWALD - BEFORE THE RIFLE IS FOUND
Roy
Truly and Dallas Police Captain Lumpkin considered Oswald a suspect before the rifle was found even though they both had seen Oswald immediately after the assassination, knew he wasn't the Sixth Floor sniper, and gave his name and Irving address to Homicide Captain Fritz.
Truly said that
he considered Oswald a suspect when he and Mr. Campbell realized Oswald was
missing, even though Campbell saw Oswald by the storage closet on the first
floor shortly after the shooting as he reentered the building, and the official
record has Truly and officer Baker encountering Oswald in the second floor
lunchroom ninety seconds after the shooting, and didn’t consider hiim
suspicious at that time.
Then,
twenty minutes later, looking around, Truly notices Oswald not there, and calls
the office in another building to get Oswald’s address – Mrs. Paine’s Irving
address that was on his employment application.
Truly sees
Dallas Police Captain Lumpkin standing nearby, as he had returned to Dealey
Plaza in the Pilot Car after driving to Parkland Hospital. Truly tells Lumpkin
he has a man missing – even though there were a number of other misssing
employees,Truly only considered Oswald suspicious.
Lumpkin
and Truly then proceed to the sixth floor where they find Captain Fritz
inspecting the rifle, that was just found. Lumpkin calls Fritz aside and tells
him about Oswald being missing and gave him Oswald’s Irving address.
Fritz
then walked across Elm and Houston streets to the Sheriff’s office where he met
with Sheriff Bill Decker, a conversaton that was not recorded or documented in
any way. What did they say?
Back at
his office in City Hall Fritz told a police officer under his command to go out
to Irving and see if Oswald was there – when he was told – “There he sits” –
under arrest as a suspect in the murder of patrolman J.D. Tippit.
As for
Truly, he had ben working at the TSBD since 1934 – and worked part time for North American Aviation company during World War II. [North American Aviation - Wikipedia ]
It has
been mentioned, though I have not seen it documented, that Truly was married to
a relative of Claire Lee Chennault – of Flying Tigers and China Lobby fame.[Claire Lee Chennault, Lieutenant General, United States Army Air Corps ] - that has to be confirmed.
Now confirmed [ JFKCountercoup2: William R. Chenault and Mildred Truly / JFKCountercoup2: Chennault's Flying Tigers / JFKCountercoup2: Major General Claire Lee Chennault ]
What does it mean that Mildred Chenault Truly is a cousin of the USAF general who founded the Flying Tigers and CIA's CAT-Air America? It simply means they are related and certainly knew each other.
Now confirmed [ JFKCountercoup2: William R. Chenault and Mildred Truly / JFKCountercoup2: Chennault's Flying Tigers / JFKCountercoup2: Major General Claire Lee Chennault ]
What does it mean that Mildred Chenault Truly is a cousin of the USAF general who founded the Flying Tigers and CIA's CAT-Air America? It simply means they are related and certainly knew each other.
Capt. Lumpkin
was the driver of the Pilot Car, responsible for inspecting the motorcade route
looking for any signs of trouble – and didn’t see any. He pulled to the curb at
Houston and Elm and told the traffic policeman there – and the sixth floor
sniper sixty feet above them – that the motorcade was a mile and a few minutes
behind them. Lumpkin was also an officer in the U.S. Army Reserve Intelligence
unit, commanded by Col. Jack Crichton, and invited Col. George Whitmeyer, the
commanding officer of all Army Reserve Units in North Texas to ride with him in
the back seat, which he did without the knowledge of the Secret Service.
JFKcountercoup: The Pilot Car
JFKcountercoup: The Pilot Car
And how
did Oswald get a job at the TSBD? Mrs. Paine made a phone call to Truly.
Mr.
BELIN. Mr. Truly, when did you first hear of the name of Lee Harvey
Oswald?
Mr. TRULY. I heard the name on or about October 15th.
Mr. BELIN. Of what year?
Mr. TRULY. Of 1963.
Mr. BELIN. And from whom did you hear the name? Could you just relate to the Commission the circumstances, if you would, please?
Mr. TRULY. I received a phone call from a lady in Irving who said her name was Mrs. Paine.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
What did Mrs. Paine say, and what did you say?
Mr. TRULY. She said, "Mr. Truly,"---words to this effect---you understand---" Mr. Truly, you don't know who I am but I have a neighbor whose brother works for you. I don't know what his name is. But he tells his sister that you are very busy. And I am just wondering if you can use another man," or words to that effect.
And I told Mrs.---she said, "I have a fine young man living here with his wife and baby, and his wife is expecting a baby--another baby, in a few days, and he needs work desperately."
Now, this is not absolutely--this is as near as I can remember the conversation over the telephone.
And I told Mrs. Paine that--to send him down, and I would talk to him--that I didn't have anything in mind for him of a permanent nature, but if he was suited, we could possibly use him for a brief time....
Mr. TRULY. I heard the name on or about October 15th.
Mr. BELIN. Of what year?
Mr. TRULY. Of 1963.
Mr. BELIN. And from whom did you hear the name? Could you just relate to the Commission the circumstances, if you would, please?
Mr. TRULY. I received a phone call from a lady in Irving who said her name was Mrs. Paine.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
What did Mrs. Paine say, and what did you say?
Mr. TRULY. She said, "Mr. Truly,"---words to this effect---you understand---" Mr. Truly, you don't know who I am but I have a neighbor whose brother works for you. I don't know what his name is. But he tells his sister that you are very busy. And I am just wondering if you can use another man," or words to that effect.
And I told Mrs.---she said, "I have a fine young man living here with his wife and baby, and his wife is expecting a baby--another baby, in a few days, and he needs work desperately."
Now, this is not absolutely--this is as near as I can remember the conversation over the telephone.
And I told Mrs. Paine that--to send him down, and I would talk to him--that I didn't have anything in mind for him of a permanent nature, but if he was suited, we could possibly use him for a brief time....
TRULY
AND CAMPBELL WATCH THE ASSASSINATION
Mr.
BELIN. Now, when did you leave for lunch, Mr. Truly?
Mr. TRULY. As near as I know, it was between somewheres around 12:10 or shortly after, possibly 12:15.
Mr. BELIN. At that time did you go out to lunch?
Mr. TRULY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Where did you go to eat?
Mr. TRULY. We didn't go anywheres. Mr. Campbell and I--
Mr. BELIN. That is Mr. O. V. Campbell?
Mr. TRULY. Mr. O. V. Campbell, vice president--and I had started out for lunch. I don't know as we had any particular place in mind. We ate at several places around there. It was around 12:10 or 12:15, I would say, to the nearest of my memory. As we got to the outside of the building, we noticed that it wouldn't be long until the motorcade would come by, and we decided to wait and watch the President come by.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember where you were standing with Mr. Campbell?
Mr. TRULY. I would judge out in Elm Street, 10 to 15 or 20 feet from the front steps. We first stood on the steps, the bottom steps a few minutes, and then we walked out in the line of spectators on the side of Elm Street…..
Mr. TRULY. As near as I know, it was between somewheres around 12:10 or shortly after, possibly 12:15.
Mr. BELIN. At that time did you go out to lunch?
Mr. TRULY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Where did you go to eat?
Mr. TRULY. We didn't go anywheres. Mr. Campbell and I--
Mr. BELIN. That is Mr. O. V. Campbell?
Mr. TRULY. Mr. O. V. Campbell, vice president--and I had started out for lunch. I don't know as we had any particular place in mind. We ate at several places around there. It was around 12:10 or 12:15, I would say, to the nearest of my memory. As we got to the outside of the building, we noticed that it wouldn't be long until the motorcade would come by, and we decided to wait and watch the President come by.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember where you were standing with Mr. Campbell?
Mr. TRULY. I would judge out in Elm Street, 10 to 15 or 20 feet from the front steps. We first stood on the steps, the bottom steps a few minutes, and then we walked out in the line of spectators on the side of Elm Street…..
OSWALD
MISSING?
Mr.
TRULY. When I got back to the first floor, at first I didn't see anything
except officers running around, reporters in the place. There was a regular
madhouse.
Mr. BELIN. Had they sealed off the building yet, do you know?
Mr. TRULY. I am sure they had.
Mr. BELIN. Then what?
Mr. TRULY. Then in a few minutes--it could have been moments or minutes at a time like that--I noticed some of my boys were over in the west corner of the shipping department, and there were several officers over there taking their names and addresses, and so forth. There were other officers in other parts of the building taking other employees, like office people's names. I noticed that Lee Oswald was not among these boys. So I picked up the telephone and called Mr. Aiken down at the other warehouse who keeps our application blanks. Back up there. First I mentioned to Mr. Campbell--I asked Bill Shelley if he had seen him, he looked around and said no.
Mr. BELIN. When you asked Bill Shelley if he had seen whom?
Mr. TRULY. Lee Oswald. I said, "Have you seen him around lately," and he said no.
So Mr. Campbell is standing there, and I said, "I have a boy over here missing. I don't know whether to report it or not." Because I had another one or two out then. I didn't know whether they were all there or not. He said, "What do you think"? And I got to thinking. He said, "Well, we better do it anyway." It was so quick after that.
So I picked the phone up then and called Mr. Aiken, at the warehouse, and got the boy's name and general description and telephone number and address at Irving.
Mr. BELIN. Did you have any address for him in Dallas, or did you just have an address in Irving?
Mr. TRULY. Just the address in Irving. I knew nothing of this Dallas address. I didn't know he was living away from his family.
Mr. BELIN. Now, would that be the address and the description as shown on this application, Exhibit 496?
Mr. TRULY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Did you ask for the name and addresses of any other employees who might have been missing?
Mr. TRULY. No, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Why didn't you ask for any other employees?
Mr. TRULY. That is the only one that I could be certain right then was missing.
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do after you got that information?
Mr. TRULY. Chief Lumpkin of the Dallas Police Department was standing a few feet from me. I told Chief Lumpkin that I had a boy missing over here "I don't know whether it amounts to anything or not." And I gave him his description. And he says, "Just a moment. We will go tell Captain Fritz."
Mr. BELIN. All right. And then what happened?
Mr. TRULY. So Chief Lumpkin had several officers there that he was talking to, and I assumed that he gave him some instructions of some nature I didn't hear it. And then he turned to me and says, "Now we will go upstairs".
So we got on one of the elevators, I don't know which, and rode up to the sixth floor. I didn't know Captain Fritz was on the sixth floor. And he was over in the northwest corner of the building.
Mr. BELIN. By the stairs there?
Mr. TRULY. Yes; by the stairs.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mr. TRULY. And there were other officers with him. Chief Lumpkin stepped over and told Captain Fritz that I had something that I wanted to tell him.
Mr. BELIN. All right. And then what happened
Mr. TRULY. So Captain Fritz left the men he was with and walked over about 8 or 10 feet and said, "What is it, Mr. Truly," or words to that effect.
And I told him about this boy missing and gave him his address and telephone number and general description. And he says, "Thank you, Mr. Truly. We will take care of it.
And I went back downstairs in a few minutes.
Testimony Of J. W. FritzMr. BELIN. Had they sealed off the building yet, do you know?
Mr. TRULY. I am sure they had.
Mr. BELIN. Then what?
Mr. TRULY. Then in a few minutes--it could have been moments or minutes at a time like that--I noticed some of my boys were over in the west corner of the shipping department, and there were several officers over there taking their names and addresses, and so forth. There were other officers in other parts of the building taking other employees, like office people's names. I noticed that Lee Oswald was not among these boys. So I picked up the telephone and called Mr. Aiken down at the other warehouse who keeps our application blanks. Back up there. First I mentioned to Mr. Campbell--I asked Bill Shelley if he had seen him, he looked around and said no.
Mr. BELIN. When you asked Bill Shelley if he had seen whom?
Mr. TRULY. Lee Oswald. I said, "Have you seen him around lately," and he said no.
So Mr. Campbell is standing there, and I said, "I have a boy over here missing. I don't know whether to report it or not." Because I had another one or two out then. I didn't know whether they were all there or not. He said, "What do you think"? And I got to thinking. He said, "Well, we better do it anyway." It was so quick after that.
So I picked the phone up then and called Mr. Aiken, at the warehouse, and got the boy's name and general description and telephone number and address at Irving.
Mr. BELIN. Did you have any address for him in Dallas, or did you just have an address in Irving?
Mr. TRULY. Just the address in Irving. I knew nothing of this Dallas address. I didn't know he was living away from his family.
Mr. BELIN. Now, would that be the address and the description as shown on this application, Exhibit 496?
Mr. TRULY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Did you ask for the name and addresses of any other employees who might have been missing?
Mr. TRULY. No, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Why didn't you ask for any other employees?
Mr. TRULY. That is the only one that I could be certain right then was missing.
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do after you got that information?
Mr. TRULY. Chief Lumpkin of the Dallas Police Department was standing a few feet from me. I told Chief Lumpkin that I had a boy missing over here "I don't know whether it amounts to anything or not." And I gave him his description. And he says, "Just a moment. We will go tell Captain Fritz."
Mr. BELIN. All right. And then what happened?
Mr. TRULY. So Chief Lumpkin had several officers there that he was talking to, and I assumed that he gave him some instructions of some nature I didn't hear it. And then he turned to me and says, "Now we will go upstairs".
So we got on one of the elevators, I don't know which, and rode up to the sixth floor. I didn't know Captain Fritz was on the sixth floor. And he was over in the northwest corner of the building.
Mr. BELIN. By the stairs there?
Mr. TRULY. Yes; by the stairs.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mr. TRULY. And there were other officers with him. Chief Lumpkin stepped over and told Captain Fritz that I had something that I wanted to tell him.
Mr. BELIN. All right. And then what happened
Mr. TRULY. So Captain Fritz left the men he was with and walked over about 8 or 10 feet and said, "What is it, Mr. Truly," or words to that effect.
And I told him about this boy missing and gave him his address and telephone number and general description. And he says, "Thank you, Mr. Truly. We will take care of it.
And I went back downstairs in a few minutes.
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